{"id":1455,"date":"2020-02-09T18:28:45","date_gmt":"2020-02-09T23:28:45","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.energylawprof.com\/?p=1455"},"modified":"2020-08-06T16:16:57","modified_gmt":"2020-08-06T21:16:57","slug":"energy-tradeoffs-podcast-michael-gerrard","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.energylawprof.com\/?p=1455","title":{"rendered":"Energy Tradeoffs Podcast #26 &#8211; Michael Gerrard"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.energylawprof.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/gerrard-300.jpg?resize=89%2C107\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1456\" width=\"89\" height=\"107\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.energylawprof.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/gerrard-300.jpg?w=300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.energylawprof.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/02\/gerrard-300.jpg?resize=250%2C300&amp;ssl=1 250w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 89px) 100vw, 89px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This week\u2019s&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.energytradeoffs.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">EnergyTradeoffs.com<\/a>&nbsp;podcast episode features Columbia\u2019s&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Mike Gerrard (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.law.columbia.edu\/faculty\/michael-gerrard\" target=\"_blank\">Mike Gerrard<\/a> talking with <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/sc.edu\/study\/colleges_schools\/law\/faculty_and_staff\/directory\/welton_shelley.php\" target=\"_blank\">Shelley Welton<\/a> about his research on &#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Deep Decarbonization: Legal Impediments to a Massive Renewables Build-Out (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.energytradeoffs.com\/2019\/07\/06\/mike-gerrard-legal-impediments-to-a-massive-renewables-build-out\/\" target=\"_blank\">Deep Decarbonization: Legal Impediments to a Massive Renewables Build-Out<\/a>.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In the interview, Mike explains why dramatic cutting U.S. greenhouse gas emissions will require a massive build out of new zero-carbon power sources to 1) replace coal and gas power plants and 2) electrify the other parts of the energy system that currently depend on fossil fuels, such as gasoline for cars and natural gas for heating. Mike and Shelley explore how federal environmental statutes, especially the National Environmental Policy Act, are holding up new investment in renewable energy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignleft is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/i1.wp.com\/www.energylawprof.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/Screen-Shot-2019-07-29-at-3.35.29-PM.png?resize=138%2C138\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1199\" width=\"107\" height=\"107\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.energylawprof.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/Screen-Shot-2019-07-29-at-3.35.29-PM.png?w=800&amp;ssl=1 800w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.energylawprof.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/Screen-Shot-2019-07-29-at-3.35.29-PM.png?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.energylawprof.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/Screen-Shot-2019-07-29-at-3.35.29-PM.png?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.energylawprof.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/Screen-Shot-2019-07-29-at-3.35.29-PM.png?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.energylawprof.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/Screen-Shot-2019-07-29-at-3.35.29-PM.png?resize=90%2C90&amp;ssl=1 90w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.energylawprof.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/Screen-Shot-2019-07-29-at-3.35.29-PM.png?resize=75%2C75&amp;ssl=1 75w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 107px) 100vw, 107px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The discussion relates to a larger project, known as &#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Legal Pathways to Deep Decarbonizaton (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.eli.org\/legal-pathways-deep-decarbonization-united-states-summary-and-key-recommendations\" target=\"_blank\">Legal Pathways to Deep Decarbonizaton<\/a>&#8221; and Mike&#8217;s 2017 article in the Environmental Law Reporter, \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/columbiaclimatelaw.com\/files\/2017\/06\/Legal-Pathways-for-a-Massive-Increase-in-Utility-Scale-Renewable-Generation-Capacity.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\" (opens in a new tab)\">Legal Pathways for a Massive Increase in Utility-Scale Renewable Generation Capacity<\/a>.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Energy Tradeoffs Podcast can be found at the following links:&nbsp;<br><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/energy-tradeoffs\/id1470891782\" target=\"_blank\">Apple<\/a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/play.google.com\/music\/m\/Iqkwkn6f2tl65srzxrr3sc5tawe?t=Energy_Tradeoffs\" target=\"_blank\">Google<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_6095\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-1455-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/www.energytradeoffs.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/GerrardInterview-edit1.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energytradeoffs.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/GerrardInterview-edit1.mp3\">https:\/\/www.energytradeoffs.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/GerrardInterview-edit1.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energytradeoffs.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/GerrardInterview-edit1.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/www.energylawprof.com\/?powerpress_pinw=1455-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energytradeoffs.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/GerrardInterview-edit1.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"GerrardInterview-edit1.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energylawprof.com\/?feed=podcast\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><!--powerpress_player--><!-- AddThis Advanced Settings generic via filter on the_content -->","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This week\u2019s&nbsp;EnergyTradeoffs.com&nbsp;podcast episode features Columbia\u2019s&nbsp;Mike Gerrard talking with Shelley Welton about his research on &#8220;Deep Decarbonization: Legal Impediments to a Massive Renewables Build-Out.&#8221; 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