Energy Tradeoffs Podcast #29 – Monika Ehrman

Today’s EnergyTradeoffs.com podcast episode has me interviewing the University of Oklahoma’s Monika Ehrman about her research on “Energy Realism & Fossil Fuels.”

Monika describes and criticizes the “keep it in the ground” movement–a coalition that is looking to stop production of oil and gas on federal lands and has now gained support from all of the remaining Democratic candidates for President. She argues that the keep-it-in-the-ground movement is ignoring the economic and geopolitical impacts of cutting off oil and gas production and lays out her theory of energy realism: she argues that the energy industry and the keep-it-in-the ground movement could both benefit from more careful assessment of the science and math supporting both the economic necessity and climate risks of fossil fuel production. My recent op-ed supporting sustainable oil development rather than simple bans also supports this vision of energy policy.

The discussion builds on Monika’s recent article, “A Call for Energy Realism:  When Immanual Kant Met the ‘Keep It In the Ground’ Movement,” which was published last year in the Utah Law Review, and Monika described earlier in a guest blog here at EnergyLawProf.com.

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Guest Blog: Monika Ehrman on Energy Realism

Guest blogger Monika Ehrman is here to discuss her fascinating new paper on energy realism and the keep it in the ground movement, which is a coalition of groups that seeks to ban oil and gas production on federal lands, and is becoming a major focus of discussion in the Democratic presidential primary

In A Call for Energy Realism: When Immanuel Kant Met the Keep it in the Ground Movement, I examine the Keep it in the Ground Movement, which is a coalition of environmental groups that seek to end fossil fuel extraction by halting oil and gas development. I argue that an immediate or short-term divesting of petroleum is unrealistic and disregards the possibilities of (1) serious economic impacts with respect to domestic revenues, (2) disruptions to infrastructure, and (3) geopolitical risks tied to energy independence and regional stability. I do so while first acknowledging the importance and risk of climate change. In the article, I promote the adoption of Energy Realism, which I set forth in two forms: Pragmatic Energy Realism and Philosophical Energy Realism. Pragmatic Energy Realism incorporates the realities of actual petroleum consumption and reliance. Philosophical Energy Realism borrows philosophical concepts arising from Kant’s theories of realism. I assert that there is only one reality with respect to energy, environment, poverty, and other aspects of energy consumption and environmental impact. It is therefore impossible to isolate any single perspective without fundamentally dismissing reality and instead embracing a subjective perspective. The article also recommends that these anti-extractive movements support initiatives such as adoption of a carbon tax, increasing energy efficiency, and promoting awareness of and addressing energy poverty.

The article A Call for Energy Realism: When Immanuel Kant Met the Keep it in the Ground Movement appears in Utah Law Review and is available here: https://www.utahlawreview.org/article/9447-a-call-for-energy-realism-when-immanuel-kant-met-the-keep-it-in-the-ground-movement

Here is the article abstract:

The “Keep it in the Ground” Movement (the “Movement”) is a coalition of environmental groups that seek to end fossil fuel extraction by halting oil and gas development on federal lands. Supporters of the Movement demand a safer climate future and the transition to a renewable energy economy. However, the Movement is premised on the notion that the United States can divest fossil fuels, particularly petroleum hydrocarbons, from its energy economy and terminate oil and gas development in the near-term future. The Movement disregards the possibilities of serious economic impacts with respect to domestic revenues and infrastructure framework, and geopolitical risks tied to energy independence and regional stability. This Article examines the rise of the Keep it in the Ground Movement and analyzes the challenges that would follow its evolution and implementation if it continues to ignore the reality of American energy use and reliance. It promotes the adoption of Energy Realism in two forms. 

The first form of this realism, Pragmatic Energy Realism, addresses the realities of actual petroleum consumption and reliance. The second form, Philosophical Energy Realism, borrows philosophical concepts arising from Kant’s theories of realism to develop the theory that there is only one uniform reality of energy. Application of these theories highlights the flaws of examining the issue from solely an environmental perspective. In fact, I hypothesize that such an evaluation is not correct. Rather, this Article asserts that there is only one reality with respect to energy, environment, poverty, and other aspects of energy consumption and environmental impact. It is therefore impossible to isolate any single perspective without fundamentally dismissing reality and instead embracing a subjective perspective. This Article also proposes initiatives that the Movement could adopt to affect changes in consumer demand and energy consumption including: energy efficiency measures, implementation of a carbon tax, and addressing energy poverty. The author intends that understanding and adopting Energy Realism will provide new directions and goals for the Movement and further the necessary dialogue between stakeholders on the interrelationships between energy and environment.